Additional Qualifiers for State Meet
05/26/2017 11:26:05 AM
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I'm at PA State meet, where they run prelims of all State qualifiers. There were 27 4 x 800 State qualifiers in 3A Boys 4 x 800, with top 12 going to Finals. Here's the results of the Prelim: Boys 4x800 Meter Relay AAA ========================================================================= 12 Advance: Top 4 Each Heat plus Next 4 Best Times NFHS Record: ! 7:33.48 2009 , Central Bucks So HS, PA Dickson, Manion, Poiesz, Mallon PIAA Record: R 7:33.48 2009 , Central Bucks So 1 Dickson, Manion, Poiesz, Mallon NFHS Hnr Rol: # 7:48.00 School Seed Prelims ========================================================================= Heat 1 Preliminaries 1 Seneca Valley 07 7:52.07 7:49.67Q 2 Pennsbury 01 7:56.56 7:51.13Q 3 State College Area 06 8:36.73 7:51.67Q 4 Penn Wood 01 7:56.55 7:52.14Q 5 Greensburg Salem 07 7:52.92 7:52.62q 6 Franklin Regional 07 7:55.59 7:53.54q 7 Williamsport Area 04 8:08.63 7:54.68q 8 La Salle College 12 8:02.73 7:56.31 9 Haverford Township 01 7:58.41 8:02.27 10 Indiana Area 07 8:01.73 8:02.39 11 Ephrata 03 7:56.17 8:03.53 12 Grove City Area 10 8:09.19 8:13.42 13 Hempfield 03 7:58.26 8:20.11 14 Bradford Area 09 8:32.92 8:39.93 Heat 2 Preliminaries 1 Pennridge 01 7:53.47 7:53.65Q 2 Central Bucks West 01 7:48.96 7:53.68Q 3 North Penn 01 7:53.72 7:53.79Q 4 Lower Dauphin 03 7:59.49 7:53.86Q 5 Abington 01 7:56.38 7:54.09q 6 Cumberland Valley 03 7:56.41 7:56.02 7 North Allegheny 07 8:00.71 7:58.13 8 Manheim Township 03 7:57.44 8:05.66 9 Central 12 8:08.00 8:05.78 10 Boyertown 01 7:57.77 8:08.23 11 Parkland 11 8:08.24 8:23.52 12 Dallas 02 8:10.88 8:27.86 13 Pleasant Valley 11 8:11.09 8:31.31 7:55 doesn't make tomorrow's final, but it gave ALL the best teams a shot....
I'm at PA State meet, where they run prelims of all State qualifiers. There were 27 4 x 800 State qualifiers in 3A Boys 4 x 800, with top 12 going to Finals. Here's the results of the Prelim:
Boys 4x800 Meter Relay AAA
=========================================================================
12 Advance: Top 4 Each Heat plus Next 4 Best Times
NFHS Record: ! 7:33.48 2009 , Central Bucks So HS, PA
Dickson, Manion, Poiesz, Mallon
PIAA Record: R 7:33.48 2009 , Central Bucks So 1
Dickson, Manion, Poiesz, Mallon
NFHS Hnr Rol: # 7:48.00
School Seed Prelims
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Heat 1 Preliminaries
1 Seneca Valley 07 7:52.07 7:49.67Q
2 Pennsbury 01 7:56.56 7:51.13Q
3 State College Area 06 8:36.73 7:51.67Q
4 Penn Wood 01 7:56.55 7:52.14Q
5 Greensburg Salem 07 7:52.92 7:52.62q
6 Franklin Regional 07 7:55.59 7:53.54q
7 Williamsport Area 04 8:08.63 7:54.68q
8 La Salle College 12 8:02.73 7:56.31
9 Haverford Township 01 7:58.41 8:02.27
10 Indiana Area 07 8:01.73 8:02.39
11 Ephrata 03 7:56.17 8:03.53
12 Grove City Area 10 8:09.19 8:13.42
13 Hempfield 03 7:58.26 8:20.11
14 Bradford Area 09 8:32.92 8:39.93
Heat 2 Preliminaries
1 Pennridge 01 7:53.47 7:53.65Q
2 Central Bucks West 01 7:48.96 7:53.68Q
3 North Penn 01 7:53.72 7:53.79Q
4 Lower Dauphin 03 7:59.49 7:53.86Q
5 Abington 01 7:56.38 7:54.09q
6 Cumberland Valley 03 7:56.41 7:56.02
7 North Allegheny 07 8:00.71 7:58.13
8 Manheim Township 03 7:57.44 8:05.66
9 Central 12 8:08.00 8:05.78
10 Boyertown 01 7:57.77 8:08.23
11 Parkland 11 8:08.24 8:23.52
12 Dallas 02 8:10.88 8:27.86
13 Pleasant Valley 11 8:11.09 8:31.31

7:55 doesn't make tomorrow's final, but it gave ALL the best teams a shot....
05/26/2017 1:18:06 PM
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30 Boys qualified in 1600, with top 12 advancing to Finals tomorrow. 4:20 didn't make it: Boys 1600 Meter Run AAA ========================================================================= 12 Advance: Top 4 Each Heat plus Next 4 Best Times NFHS Record: ! 3:59.51 2001 Alan Webb, RestonSoLakesHS, VA PIAA Record: R 4:07.32 2011 Drew Magaha, Upper Moreland 1 NFHS Hnr Rol: # 4:14.00 Name Year School Seed Prelims ========================================================================= Heat 1 Preliminaries 1 Affolder, Sam 10 Carlisle 03 4:16.51 4:17.51Q 2 Cruise, Jesse 12 Cedar Crest 03 4:16.68 4:17.72Q 3 Wirth, Tyler 10 Wallenpaupack 02 4:22.69 4:17.96Q 4 Brown, Sean 12 Roman Cath 12 4:22.18 4:18.18Q 5 Keller, Bryan 12 CR North 01 4:18.01 4:18.73q 6 Burke, Kyle 11 Abington Hts 02 4:22.24 4:20.40 7 Snodgrass, Sam 11 So Fayette 07 4:24.34 4:21.89 8 Hontz, Brandon 12 WC Rustin 01 4:20.52 4:22.65 9 Matsumura, Thomas 11 Sthrn Lehigh 11 4:23.54 4:24.74 10 Ermold, Alexander 10 Gov Mifflin 03 4:23.74 4:25.39 11 Macknair, Chayce 10 Mifflin Cnty 06 4:23.55 4:27.38 12 Shields, Connor 10 Warwick 03 4:23.67 4:28.27 13 Gatti, Joey 12 Pittsburgh CC 07 4:25.89 4:28.38 14 Jacobson, Patrick 12 Dallastown 03 4:22.70 4:32.81 15 Caruso, Logan 11 Bradford Area 09 4:44.95 4:37.53 Heat 2 Preliminaries 1 Conway, Liam 11 OJ Roberts 01 4:16.89 4:17.53Q 2 Galligan, Liam 12 Springfield 01 4:20.68 4:17.54Q 3 Scarpill, Matthew 12 CB South 01 4:16.45 4:17.54Q 4 Kole, Isaac 12 Carlisle 03 4:22.20 4:17.56Q 5 Addison, Evan 11 La Salle Cllg 12 4:17.40 4:17.91q 6 Wing, Owen 12 State College 06 4:23.09 4:18.78q 7 Smucker, Spencer 11 WC Henderson 01 4:22.54 4:19.50q 8 Powell, Jonah 10 Grove City 10 4:23.88 4:22.08 9 Earley, Sam 11 CR North 01 4:20.87 4:22.40 10 Maxwell, Austin 12 Kennett 01 4:23.55 4:25.79 11 Ebling, Collin 11 Pottsville 11 4:23.52 4:27.07 12 Huff, Le'Shawn 11 New Castle 07 4:24.18 4:27.32 13 Binda, Cameron 10 Grnsbrg Salem 07 4:26.73 4:27.35 14 Strouse, Logan 10 Shikellamy 04 4:36.17 4:33.83 15 Uhranowsky, Dan 11 Abington Hts 02 4:23.62 4:44.82
30 Boys qualified in 1600, with top 12 advancing to Finals tomorrow. 4:20 didn't make it:

Boys 1600 Meter Run AAA
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12 Advance: Top 4 Each Heat plus Next 4 Best Times
NFHS Record: ! 3:59.51 2001 Alan Webb, RestonSoLakesHS, VA
PIAA Record: R 4:07.32 2011 Drew Magaha, Upper Moreland 1
NFHS Hnr Rol: # 4:14.00
Name Year School Seed Prelims
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Heat 1 Preliminaries
1 Affolder, Sam 10 Carlisle 03 4:16.51 4:17.51Q
2 Cruise, Jesse 12 Cedar Crest 03 4:16.68 4:17.72Q
3 Wirth, Tyler 10 Wallenpaupack 02 4:22.69 4:17.96Q
4 Brown, Sean 12 Roman Cath 12 4:22.18 4:18.18Q
5 Keller, Bryan 12 CR North 01 4:18.01 4:18.73q
6 Burke, Kyle 11 Abington Hts 02 4:22.24 4:20.40
7 Snodgrass, Sam 11 So Fayette 07 4:24.34 4:21.89
8 Hontz, Brandon 12 WC Rustin 01 4:20.52 4:22.65
9 Matsumura, Thomas 11 Sthrn Lehigh 11 4:23.54 4:24.74
10 Ermold, Alexander 10 Gov Mifflin 03 4:23.74 4:25.39
11 Macknair, Chayce 10 Mifflin Cnty 06 4:23.55 4:27.38
12 Shields, Connor 10 Warwick 03 4:23.67 4:28.27
13 Gatti, Joey 12 Pittsburgh CC 07 4:25.89 4:28.38
14 Jacobson, Patrick 12 Dallastown 03 4:22.70 4:32.81
15 Caruso, Logan 11 Bradford Area 09 4:44.95 4:37.53
Heat 2 Preliminaries
1 Conway, Liam 11 OJ Roberts 01 4:16.89 4:17.53Q
2 Galligan, Liam 12 Springfield 01 4:20.68 4:17.54Q
3 Scarpill, Matthew 12 CB South 01 4:16.45 4:17.54Q
4 Kole, Isaac 12 Carlisle 03 4:22.20 4:17.56Q
5 Addison, Evan 11 La Salle Cllg 12 4:17.40 4:17.91q
6 Wing, Owen 12 State College 06 4:23.09 4:18.78q
7 Smucker, Spencer 11 WC Henderson 01 4:22.54 4:19.50q
8 Powell, Jonah 10 Grove City 10 4:23.88 4:22.08
9 Earley, Sam 11 CR North 01 4:20.87 4:22.40
10 Maxwell, Austin 12 Kennett 01 4:23.55 4:25.79
11 Ebling, Collin 11 Pottsville 11 4:23.52 4:27.07
12 Huff, Le'Shawn 11 New Castle 07 4:24.18 4:27.32
13 Binda, Cameron 10 Grnsbrg Salem 07 4:26.73 4:27.35
14 Strouse, Logan 10 Shikellamy 04 4:36.17 4:33.83
15 Uhranowsky, Dan 11 Abington Hts 02 4:23.62 4:44.82
05/26/2017 2:57:02 PM
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Interesting. i would like to see the final times, to see how they hold up for high school kids. Then add in an additional 10-20 degrees of heat index in Florida. Certainly worth talking about. My sense is that it would require a 3-day meet which, at this point, would be about as popular as ticks.
Interesting. i would like to see the final times, to see how they hold up for high school kids. Then add in an additional 10-20 degrees of heat index in Florida. Certainly worth talking about. My sense is that it would require a 3-day meet which, at this point, would be about as popular as ticks.
05/26/2017 5:10:24 PM
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Other races: 9:35 didn't make the finals in 3A girls 4 x800 5:05 didn't make finals of 3A girls 1600 2:16 didn't make finals of 3A girls 800 1:57 didn't make finals of 3A boys 800
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9:35 didn't make the finals in 3A girls 4 x800

5:05 didn't make finals of 3A girls 1600

2:16 didn't make finals of 3A girls 800

1:57 didn't make finals of 3A boys 800
05/27/2017 12:05:32 PM
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@eaglettes Update on finals: 4 x 800 Boys 3A: Top 8 all sub 7:47 (7:40 wins it) Girls 3A: Top 8 all sub 9:20 ((9:02 wins it) 800: Boys 3A: Top 8 all sub 1:54.4 (1:50 wins it) Girls 3A: Top 8 all sub 2:14 (2:07 wins it) 1600: Boys 3A: Top 8 all sub 4:17 (4:12 wins it) Girls 3A: Top 8 all sub 4:57 (4:45 wins it) 3200: Boys 3A: Top 8 all sub 9:17 (9:01 wins it) Girls 3A: Top 8 all sub 10:56 (10:21 wins it)
@eaglettes Update on finals:
4 x 800
Boys 3A: Top 8 all sub 7:47 (7:40 wins it)
Girls 3A: Top 8 all sub 9:20 ((9:02 wins it)
800:
Boys 3A: Top 8 all sub 1:54.4 (1:50 wins it)
Girls 3A: Top 8 all sub 2:14 (2:07 wins it)
1600:
Boys 3A: Top 8 all sub 4:17 (4:12 wins it)
Girls 3A: Top 8 all sub 4:57 (4:45 wins it)
3200:
Boys 3A: Top 8 all sub 9:17 (9:01 wins it)
Girls 3A: Top 8 all sub 10:56 (10:21 wins it)
05/27/2017 6:08:53 PM
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Overall, I think it really makes State meet much more competitive to have ALL the best runners make it to state.
Overall, I think it really makes State meet much more competitive to have ALL the best runners make it to state.
05/27/2017 7:43:15 PM
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Any way we try to make qualifying a way for the state meet, there will be some type of issue. With that being said, all I have seen is arguments and proof of distance races. 1600, 800, 3200, and 4x800. What about ALL the other events in track. Different regional meets are held at different places at different times and conditions. In the 100m some regions will be run in a head wind, or tailwind. Also, one might be in the rain and the other in "perfect" conditions. One region might have a head wind in the long jump or triple jump. So, how do we account for different conditions for at large bids?? I just feel that this at large bid is being driven by distance events. I'm not saying the current system is perfect, but I don't think we need to "throw the baby out with the bath water." Anyway, I have seen multiple threads on this topic and tried to stay out of this topic, but I feel that this needed to be said.
Any way we try to make qualifying a way for the state meet, there will be some type of issue. With that being said, all I have seen is arguments and proof of distance races. 1600, 800, 3200, and 4x800. What about ALL the other events in track. Different regional meets are held at different places at different times and conditions. In the 100m some regions will be run in a head wind, or tailwind. Also, one might be in the rain and the other in "perfect" conditions. One region might have a head wind in the long jump or triple jump. So, how do we account for different conditions for at large bids?? I just feel that this at large bid is being driven by distance events. I'm not saying the current system is perfect, but I don't think we need to "throw the baby out with the bath water." Anyway, I have seen multiple threads on this topic and tried to stay out of this topic, but I feel that this needed to be said.
05/27/2017 11:02:00 PM
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@JupCoach Maybe you missed the point.Additional atletes qualifying hurts no one. Everyone at the State meet will have exact same conditions in relation to weather & wind. I could give you EVERY event if you'd like.....
@JupCoach Maybe you missed the point.Additional atletes qualifying hurts no one. Everyone at the State meet will have exact same conditions in relation to weather & wind. I could give you EVERY event if you'd like.....
05/28/2017 8:51:07 AM
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I did not miss the point, and I don't want you to waste your time on proving your point to me. It's the same thing with at large bids and will cause arguments. My kid ran 10.71 with a tailwind, to the other coach arguing that his kid ran a 10.72 in a head wind. Who gets the bid?? Agian, no system is perfect, but I do see more issues. Again, it's just my opinion, like everyone else has one:)
I did not miss the point, and I don't want you to waste your time on proving your point to me. It's the same thing with at large bids and will cause arguments. My kid ran 10.71 with a tailwind, to the other coach arguing that his kid ran a 10.72 in a head wind. Who gets the bid?? Agian, no system is perfect, but I do see more issues. Again, it's just my opinion, like everyone else has one:)
05/28/2017 4:43:28 PM
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@JupCoach The baby (4 from each region) is not changing. Until final approval nothing is changing. The additional qualifiers will have some discussion, but they are all extra. I'm old school enough to think the state finals should be an elite event and to have kids walking off of starting lines (DNS embarrassment), or getting lapped should be prevented at all costs. It should not be about including more teams/kids in the state meet, but making it an elite level meet for the best of the best. This goes for all 44 events contested there now. The current and proposed systems make the regular season useless and a waste of time. They both also do not address any honest effort which would reduce the DNS epidemic at region and Florida finals. Just my 2 cents.
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The baby (4 from each region) is not changing. Until final approval nothing is changing. The additional qualifiers will have some discussion, but they are all extra.

I'm old school enough to think the state finals should be an elite event and to have kids walking off of starting lines (DNS embarrassment), or getting lapped should be prevented at all costs. It should not be about including more teams/kids in the state meet, but making it an elite level meet for the best of the best. This goes for all 44 events contested there now.

The current and proposed systems make the regular season useless and a waste of time. They both also do not address any honest effort which would reduce the DNS epidemic at region and Florida finals.

Just my 2 cents.
05/28/2017 9:01:51 PM
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Scott, I agree with your two cents. But it does not really matter if I agree or disagree with your two cents. Too many people on this forum think we have to agree with their two cents. This is not to sound mean:) The great thing about a forum is that you should be able to express your opinion, and I thank you for that. To tell you the honest truth, I agree with you about 50% of the time and that is okay!!! But, getting the "best" to the state championships does not happen a lot of the time!! For example, baseball team A (ranked 1 in the state) and baseball team B ( ranked 2 in the state) might meet in the district or regional game. Unfortunately, the state championship might be played in a district or regional game. The FHSAA tournament is set up to represent regions. That is how it is!! People need to get used to it. I have many kids that have not made it to state over the year, but would have placed in the state meet! But, most times are recorded on websites and college coaches will see it. I had a kid get a FS in a district meet. He was third in the SEC Championships and heading to the NCAA championships. He is doing well for a kid that did not make it to the state meet:) Just my opinion:)
Scott, I agree with your two cents. But it does not really matter if I agree or disagree with your two cents. Too many people on this forum think we have to agree with their two cents. This is not to sound mean:) The great thing about a forum is that you should be able to express your opinion, and I thank you for that. To tell you the honest truth, I agree with you about 50% of the time and that is okay!!! But, getting the "best" to the state championships does not happen a lot of the time!! For example, baseball team A (ranked 1 in the state) and baseball team B ( ranked 2 in the state) might meet in the district or regional game. Unfortunately, the state championship might be played in a district or regional game. The FHSAA tournament is set up to represent regions. That is how it is!! People need to get used to it. I have many kids that have not made it to state over the year, but would have placed in the state meet! But, most times are recorded on websites and college coaches will see it. I had a kid get a FS in a district meet. He was third in the SEC Championships and heading to the NCAA championships. He is doing well for a kid that did not make it to the state meet:) Just my opinion:)
05/28/2017 9:06:56 PM
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Just my opinion - If the state meet is going to award points for the top eight places and those points are going to add up to naming a state champion, I think that the 8 at large qualifiers helps to determine the actual best team in the state. The state meet and team champion is not about determining "the best" in the state. It's about determining the best eight in the state.
Just my opinion -

If the state meet is going to award points for the top eight places and those points are going to add up to naming a state champion, I think that the 8 at large qualifiers helps to determine the actual best team in the state.

The state meet and team champion is not about determining "the best" in the state. It's about determining the best eight in the state.
05/28/2017 9:19:14 PM
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Again, a kid that runs a 10.71 with a tailwind and a kid that runs a 10.72 with a headwind. They are the bump spot to go to the state meet. Who goes???
Again, a kid that runs a 10.71 with a tailwind and a kid that runs a 10.72 with a headwind. They are the bump spot to go to the state meet. Who goes???
05/28/2017 9:21:01 PM
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Nobody has yet answered this question!
Nobody has yet answered this question!
05/28/2017 9:55:10 PM
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[quote=JupCoach]Nobody has yet answered this question![/quote] Already asked and answered. The wind is irrelevant. Placing in the top 4 is only the guaranteed way to advance. In previous years no one else advanced. This coming year, both go if they're in the next 8 fastest times. If 10.71 is the eighth fastest, he goes. No system can ever be 100% 'fair'; someone will always feel 'left out'. This is the best 'overall' answer.
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Nobody has yet answered this question!

Already asked and answered. The wind is irrelevant. Placing in the top 4 is only the guaranteed way to advance. In previous years no one else advanced. This coming year, both go if they're in the next 8 fastest times. If 10.71 is the eighth fastest, he goes. No system can ever be 100% 'fair'; someone will always feel 'left out'. This is the best 'overall' answer.
05/28/2017 10:03:37 PM
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Sorry, but that is unacceptable. The kid that gets the wind advantage goes?? But then the argument of the best at the state meet is thrown out the window!! Sorry, but the question was not answered, because it creates an argument between the coaches over wind. A record broken with wind aided is not a record broken. Again, this is the exact point I'm trying to prove. No system is perfect, and we will always have an argument.
Sorry, but that is unacceptable. The kid that gets the wind advantage goes?? But then the argument of the best at the state meet is thrown out the window!! Sorry, but the question was not answered, because it creates an argument between the coaches over wind. A record broken with wind aided is not a record broken. Again, this is the exact point I'm trying to prove. No system is perfect, and we will always have an argument.
05/29/2017 2:01:42 PM
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[quote=JupCoach]Sorry, but that is unacceptable. The kid that gets the wind advantage goes?? But then the argument of the best at the state meet is thrown out the window!! Sorry, but the question was not answered, because it creates an argument between the coaches over wind. A record broken with wind-aided is not a record broken. Again, this is the exact point I'm trying to prove. No system is perfect, and we will always have an argument.[/quote] So it IS acceptable that a very weak region sends obviously inferior performers to the state meet and those who are much better, but unfortunately compete in a very strong region don't go? Yes, there will always be an argument, so our best recourse is to select a system that is the least unfair, which the Advisory Committee did with a vote of 7-1 - the lone dissenter also wanted at-large bids, but under the original proposal of 3 auto-qualifers per Region, plus 4 at-large. The wind argument is a non-starter. In the Olympics you can qualify for the Final with a strong wind, which some of the other competitors did not have.
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Sorry, but that is unacceptable. The kid that gets the wind advantage goes?? But then the argument of the best at the state meet is thrown out the window!! Sorry, but the question was not answered, because it creates an argument between the coaches over wind. A record broken with wind-aided is not a record broken. Again, this is the exact point I'm trying to prove. No system is perfect, and we will always have an argument.

So it IS acceptable that a very weak region sends obviously inferior performers to the state meet and those who are much better, but unfortunately compete in a very strong region don't go?
Yes, there will always be an argument, so our best recourse is to select a system that is the least unfair, which the Advisory Committee did with a vote of 7-1 - the lone dissenter also wanted at-large bids, but under the original proposal of 3 auto-qualifers per Region, plus 4 at-large.
The wind argument is a non-starter. In the Olympics you can qualify for the Final with a strong wind, which some of the other competitors did not have.
05/29/2017 6:46:52 PM
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It happens in all of our FHSAA sports. Baseball team A is ranked #1 and Team B is ranked #2 and they meet in a regional game. Well, one of them did not make it to the state championship game. The two best teams did not make it to to state game. Happens all the time in all sports. But, I'm not a "give a trophy to everyone" type of coach. But you are correct, let just put 64 kids into the state meet and we can pretend that we are an AAU meet. Again, I'm trying to show you and others that any new system will create arguments of who will go to the state meet. Just as the current system. But, I feel that FHSAA sports is really set up to represent regions. You and I will never agree on this topic, and that is the point I'm trying to prove! I will not be able to change the way you think it should be, and you will not be able to change my point of view. we are not going to use wind readings, but we want them included into the results?? SMH!!
It happens in all of our FHSAA sports. Baseball team A is ranked #1 and Team B is ranked #2 and they meet in a regional game. Well, one of them did not make it to the state championship game. The two best teams did not make it to to state game. Happens all the time in all sports. But, I'm not a "give a trophy to everyone" type of coach. But you are correct, let just put 64 kids into the state meet and we can pretend that we are an AAU meet. Again, I'm trying to show you and others that any new system will create arguments of who will go to the state meet. Just as the current system. But, I feel that FHSAA sports is really set up to represent regions. You and I will never agree on this topic, and that is the point I'm trying to prove! I will not be able to change the way you think it should be, and you will not be able to change my point of view. we are not going to use wind readings, but we want them included into the results?? SMH!!
05/30/2017 6:45:35 AM
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@JupCoach The 10.71 kid goes. His time was faster. You and I know that at 10.72 into a headwind is better than a 10.71 with a tailwind...just like we know the 10.34 kid who runs a 10.72 on qualifying day due to a 101 degree fever is better than the 10.71 kid with a tailwind, but the 10.71 kid goes. The 10.72 kid you speak about had no chance of qualifying under the current rules of advancement as he did not finish in the top 4. The 8 at large now gives him an opportunity....in your scenario, he still does not qualify, but at least he was part of the at-large conversation. We could go with the top 6 out of each Region, but what if your 10.72 kid was 7th? He would be out and stuck in the same exact scenario. To a previous poster's point....there are no losers in the 8 at-large as now there are 24 athletes qualifying Vs. the original 16. It is not perfect (no qualifying system will be), but it is a step in the right direction.
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The 10.71 kid goes. His time was faster. You and I know that at 10.72 into a headwind is better than a 10.71 with a tailwind...just like we know the 10.34 kid who runs a 10.72 on qualifying day due to a 101 degree fever is better than the 10.71 kid with a tailwind, but the 10.71 kid goes.
The 10.72 kid you speak about had no chance of qualifying under the current rules of advancement as he did not finish in the top 4. The 8 at large now gives him an opportunity....in your scenario, he still does not qualify, but at least he was part of the at-large conversation.
We could go with the top 6 out of each Region, but what if your 10.72 kid was 7th? He would be out and stuck in the same exact scenario.
To a previous poster's point....there are no losers in the 8 at-large as now there are 24 athletes qualifying Vs. the original 16. It is not perfect (no qualifying system will be), but it is a step in the right direction.

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